Episode 1

[00:00:00] Jennifer-Lee: Welcome to Behind the Design from Yaletown to Andmar. This new podcast is going to follow the journey of the new development Andmar, inspired by Vancouver’s Yaletown’s history. Andmar blends sustainability, innovation, and luxury. We have so many conversations about how a development like Andmar gets built, what is leased land, and what is it going to be like to live in this thriving community? So let’s get started.

[00:00:26] Welcome to Behind the Design, Andmar to Yaletown, our brand-new podcast. I’m really excited about this because we are talking about a new community out in Sardis, BC, and I have two of the people that are bringing you that new development on our very first episode. We have Tracy and we have Mark. How are you guys doing? 

[00:00:50] Mark Perry: Fine. Thanks, Jennifer. How are you? 

[00:00:52] Jennifer-Lee: Good. 

[00:00:52] Tracy Klaver: Hi Jennifer. 

[00:00:54] Jennifer-Lee: Hi. So sometimes I think when we look at developments, we don’t actually know the story behind them. So I know you guys are calling this Chilliwack’s New Yaletown, which is very exciting. What does Yaletown in general just mean to you, especially people that are maybe not familiar with the Yaletown that we all know in Vancouver?

[00:01:14] Tracy Klaver: Yaletown means to me, um, a vibe, a place that people will gather to, uh, go for coffee, go shopping, go out for dinner. Um, it’s not just a, it’s, it’s not just a development, it’s a destination. 

[00:01:25] Jennifer-Lee: And Mark, for kind of more worldly answer, just so it’s not just straight on Vancouver, what else would you compare it to around the world?

[00:01:34] Mark Perry: You know, I think all big cities have Yaletowns. Um, you know, the Yaletown, if it was in London, would be, you know, perhaps the Soho area or these places where people, they go for recreational, nightlife, restaurants. They go for, um, you know, things to do, destinations thereof, uh, they go also to go get their groceries because they live within the, uh, within the community. Um, you know, so there’s a variety of things that happen with Vancouver’s Yaletown and we definitely want to do that within our Chilliwack’s Yaletown at Andmar. So, um, you know, very exciting, cutting all the pieces together. 

[00:02:15] Jennifer-Lee: Yeah. And why Sardis BC specifically? Why, why was it an appealing area of Chilliwack that you’re like, this is where it’s going to be the home of this new development?

[00:02:25] Mark Perry: Well, you know, we had, uh, first off the location, real estate is all about location, location, location. We are in kind of the uptown, downtown part of Sardis, um, there’s a lot of stuff here already, um, neighboring Andmar, um, and, and rarely do we get the opportunity to, um, purchase or develop all at once, ten and a half acres of kind of downtown land. You know, if we, if it was had to be a land assembly, um, within the same area, it would take us years to purchase up all the bits of land to, to assemble them into a ten and a half acre piece. This one came to us, we had the ability to, uh, to buy it, and we thought, you know what, rather than just do, um, a piecemeal development, or just an average development, we, this was our, this was our, um, our, our palette, our open palette that we could put whatever colors as far as, as far as ideas and things within this community, this uptown area and make it so that it was the hub, the central hub of Sardis that people went to, to do things, to see things, to work, um, and to, uh, and, and to entertain themselves. So that’s the reason why we did put Andmar where it was. The, the secondary, the backing of it, because it’s First Nation lands, um, we, we really have had in all of our previous developments within Chilliwack, a great working relationship with the local First Nations whose, uh, lands our developments are situated on. So when you have partners, teammates like this, associates that work well together, this was something that we could really think out of the box and, and do, and, uh, it was, uh, it was easy and fruitful to do it this way. 

[00:04:16] Jennifer-Lee: And I always have to ask, let’s say, because I’m always just amazed at people that are in like, the real estate sector or development sector. Is this something that you have always wanted to do, Mark and Tracy? Have you always wanted to put together a development or is this something newer or did you have a different passion? 

[00:04:36] Tracy Klaver: Well, um, I, I actually met, um, Mark and Andrew, uh, the developers of, of Andmar, I met them about twelve years ago, uh, when we were, um, doing, uh, Englewood Village, uh, there’s a hundred and thirty-one ranchers in the neighborhood of Andmar and Englewood Courtyard, a hundred and thirty-six condos. And, um, I think that was sort of Mark’s, um, first stage of, uh, this vision of creating, um, you know, an environment for people to live in. Um, you know, it’s a clubhouse, it’s a love, lifestyle, uh, that was sort of, you know, the theme of Englewood Village and Englewood Courtyard. And then as, uh, things started to, uh, progress, um, hey, Mark, it just really turned into, uh, more of a, a broader vision of, you know, changing the face of Chilliwack and, um, you know, the potential of, of creating, um, ten and a half acres into, uh, you know, the new Sardis center. 

[00:05:37] Mark Perry: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, uh, Jen, um, I was a young realtor at one time and, uh, kind of, uh, did twenty or so, twenty-five years of real estate. And all along through that, um, selling houses, selling people’s houses, you know, I was doing small infill, uh, infill development until I got to a position, um, where I could, uh, become bigger. And, um, and so I did, and I always enjoyed, uh, um, planning and, uh, uh, devising and, um, having something in my head that, uh, that we could build that would be good for the community at large. And Andmar really is our, uh, is our pinnacle because it’s, uh, it’s a all-inclusive, uh, development, a city center, um, a downtown, Sardis. And with that, um, you know, becomes obviously a great responsibility to build something that’s, that’s useful. Um, and great, um, great responsibility to build something that, uh, is used and people want and people call it their own. So, it’s, it’s been a very exciting time. 

[00:06:48] Jennifer-Lee: And something that’s unique about it is you guys both live around that area as well, correct?

[00:06:53] Tracy Klaver: Yeah, we do. 

[00:06:54] Mark Perry: That’s correct, yeah. 

[00:06:55] Jennifer-Lee: Which is nice, because sometimes, and again, I’m not putting anyone down, but like, it’s nice that you guys are part of the community, you understand Chilliwack, you’re not just throwing up a development and leaving. You really want to be a big part of this. And I think the fact that you guys live there already, you really have the idea of what is the heartbeat of this area, and how do you put a community together? You’re not just slapping something up and putting it there for the sake of it. You’re actually, you really want, you believe, to grow this community that you guys are both a part of. 

[00:07:26] Mark Perry: Yeah, and what, what the community was lacking prior to Andmar, so we knew that. And, um, you know, we wanted to provide that. And, uh, you know, as in the background, everybody sees, the general public see, you know, hoarding and advertising and, and, uh, Tracy selling presales for condo units and things like that. Everybody thinks, oh, they, you know, that they must’ve just thought that up. But there was, there’s so much thinking and so much, um, planning and, uh, approvals that are necessary to do a development, um, such as this, a master plan community, um, that, uh, um, you know, we probably have worked on it for two or three years prior to actually going for sale.

[00:08:12] Um, just, just in as much as, uh, um, garnering approvals and, and doing studies and, and really cementing in our own minds, uh, the product that we wanted to, uh, that we wanted to provide for people. And because Andmar is, is an uptown, downtown location, we wanted to build that vibe. We wanted to be able to showcase what we were doing, um, for, and we wanted to mirror our First Nation partners, Tzeachtens, with their set seven generations principle where, um, they make decisions today that they know will affect seven generations coming later. And that, and that is actually a perfect, uh, uh, you know, a perfect storyline to explain to our, our community, uh, neighboring community, and those who are going to live within Andmar, about how and why we did what we did and what we, and what we wanted to, uh, to come out of Andmar. 

[00:09:13] Jennifer-Lee: Yeah. And, uh, that, that’s a great lead into what I was going to ask you, is basically like, how did Andmar get started? Because what are the first steps that you do when you want a development? 

[00:09:23] Mark Perry: Well, it’s a big process. So the big thing, first off, is acquiring that, it’s that large of a piece of property, and, um, we were lucky enough to. We knew that it was an undeveloped area, um, you know, uh, it was, uh, um, obviously First Nation land, it had been, uh, leased out to, uh, the federal government as part of the army base of Chilliwack, um, a lot like Garrison Crossing, our neighboring developments. Um, and we, so once we purchased it, we thought, you know what, this is too valuable, too nice of a piece of a property to, uh, um, to ruin it by just doing something subpar, and by doing something that didn’t have a theme, didn’t have a connectivity, uh, as to community. And, um, you know, so we needed to take our time as to what that was, would be.

[00:10:13] Um, you know, and along came COVID and really kind of slowed us down on everything that we wanted to do. But within COVID, it gave us some opportunities as to, um, people’s lives, uh, refocused and reshaped about things that they wanted, you know, work at home places, uh, with, uh, areas within their suites, um, you know, how they wanted to live, they did, did they want to go back to work, uh, five days a week, or did they want to work from home? Um, all these kinds of things were, if, if we were further along prior to COVID, we would have missed out. We probably would have designed a piece of Ammar that was, that was wrong. And that would, it would have been the residences. We got it right now with, uh, the residence that we’ve designed, uh, designed. And, uh, you know, then we have to then, uh, know what was going to be good for the community and was going to, what was going to stand tall for history’s sake so that people, um, in generations later would still find Andmar useful and interesting and a place that they wanted to live. And, you know, that was important to come up with the right ideas. So that’s how we got there. 

[00:11:22] Jennifer-Lee: I like that. And, uh, Tracy, how do you feel about this whole process? Do you feel like they’ve gotten it right so far? Do you feel like it’s going to bring kind of a great vibe to Chilliwack? 

[00:11:33] Tracy Klaver: It already has. Um, it’s definitely the talk of the town. Um, people are, you know, curious, they’re excited, uh, it’s something that, you know, we’ve all been waiting for, it’s just a matter of time, you know, when it, when you’re in a growing city such as Chilliwack. But yeah, it’s, it’s pretty exciting to be a part of, um, because definitely we have that vision, we know what the, um, what our town is lacking. And, um, so the fact that we can sort of roll out these stages and, um, you know, have people excited, asking questions, you know, our, our fencing and hoarding went up and, you know, it was, it was the buzz talk, you know, people were talking about it. So yeah, I think that we’re ready. And you’re right, Mark, we did hit the marks on a lot of things that we might have missed. We always design our condos with a workspace because we know how important it is, uh, to have that option of being able to work from home. And, um, and we carefully design our floor plans, um, to make sure that all of the space is being used and is very functional. 

[00:12:44] Jennifer-Lee: That’s so important. That’s something that I always wondered when people are doing condo developments because there’s different buildings that you go into. And a lot of the condos, and I’ve heard this from many people, especially newer ones, you go in your condo unit and most of your space is in your hallway. And so like, there’ll be weird designs where it’s like your bedroom’s here and there’s like this long hallway to the kitchen. Everyone’s like, what’s the purpose of that? So is that something that you guys really thought about? 

[00:13:10] Tracy Klaver: Yeah, actually, we don’t have hallways. Um, no, yeah, we do, we carefully combed through all of the floor plans. And, um, you know, luckily with our history of our past developments, our floor plans have been very successful. And, um, well used and, and so we’ve sort of, um, taken those ideas and, um, you know, implemented them into Andmar so that there aren’t any wasted spaces. You’re walking in, you have a, you know, a den, a laundry room, a nice kitchen that’s well equipped and where there’s space, you’re going to be able to use it. So I think it’s, it’s very important, um, on the success of when you’re, when you’re at the marketing stages, uh, that you have, you know, some bang up floor plans. 

[00:13:59] Jennifer-Lee: Floor plans are so crucial, and that’s a thing, people always talk about, oh, I want bigger space, and it’s like, it doesn’t need to be bigger, it just needs to be designed properly. And the thing is, most things aren’t laid out properly. I want to know, like, why, what, what’s the name Andmar mean? Like, why are you calling it Andmar?

[00:14:16] Tracy Klaver: Well, Mark, I’ll let you answer that one. 

[00:14:20] Mark Perry: Yeah, we, we got a little selfish and we’re calling it Andmar because my, my business partner to, to our developments is, uh, Andrew, Andrew McDonald and myself, Mark Perry, and we put the names together and we’ve got an And, and a Mar in there.

[00:14:35] Jennifer-Lee: There we go. Okay. I was just wondering if there was like any big origin story or not to the names.

[00:14:41] Tracy Klaver: I think it sounds great. 

[00:14:42] Jennifer-Lee: I like it. You talked about, um, having a relationship, uh, with the band in Chilliwack. Can you tell us a little bit about that, Mark, and how that comes to be with your development? 

[00:14:52] Mark Perry: You know, it’s been a, it’s been a fantastic journey for, um, our development history in Chilliwack. Uh, we started, uh, doing as, as Tracy mentioned, uh, Englewood Village and Englewood Courtyard. They were, uh, forty-five and over, want to be retirees or retired, uh, um, re uh, residents that live, or potential residents that lived in that, uh, uh, community and, uh, was unchecked in First Nation, uh, land, um, so we, we had a fantastic time working with the administration out the band. Um, and through that great parallel of, of, of working together successfully we, we continued on and then we went to, um, Malloway Village, um, which is on Tzeachten land. We, uh, partnered then with, uh, Skynest for our Skynest project, which is on, uh, in Sardis on, uh, uh, Watson Road and, uh, and, uh, Vetter Road.

[00:15:53] Tracy Klaver: Partnering with Tzeachten. 

[00:15:55] Mark Perry: Yeah, partner with Tzeachten. We, uh, have, uh, another development with, uh, Skwah First Nation on Skwah First Nations land, um, um, called Water Lily. Um, the Sumas First Nation in Abbotsford, we do an industrial, uh, uh, project. So we really have had a great working relationship and it’s been really good to see that the benefits for all parties to our partnership and band members that are, you know, reaping, uh, reap the rewards of a good development.

[00:16:26] Jennifer-Lee: And of course, as this podcast goes, we’re going to explore more about lease land and how you guys partnered together, but kind of just wanted to give a taste about it today, because I really want to know more about the responsibility too, because obviously there’s responsibility to working with all your different partners in the community, but what do you feel the responsibility of a developer is to the community? What does that mean to you? 

[00:16:49] Mark Perry: Yeah, well, that’s a great question. I think a developer, I mean, we all have, uh, um, you know, like in any profession, I suppose there’s, uh, good developers and bad developers and, and good business people and bad business people. And throughout, we, we wanted to, um, Andrew and I, what we wanted to do is we wanted to showcase something that had, um, that was going to provide for future generations alongside the, the mantra of the seven G for Tzeachten. And with that, what we, what we wanted to do was we wanted to do something that, um, you know, could build a community, um, build a city like atmosphere that people were proud to live in. And how could one become proud of the, of the, the location that they lived in.

[00:17:38] We felt that we should, um, we should, uh, theme and, and, and showcase, uh, sustainability, um, uh, to the community, to the building community, to the, uh, to the general community, um, that we, that we, that we cared about, uh, you know, the homes that we built and, and, and, uh, how we affected, uh, you know, um, carbon and how we affected emissions, uh, heating emissions and, and all of that ties in nicely with the seven G mantra that, um, First Nations have, this is that the decisions that we make to, make today will affect seven generations coming. So we felt that we wanted to showcase our, our decision making by following the principles of sustainability and, um, carbon, carbon, reducing carbon and, and, uh, and emissions. And we wanted to be able to showcase with the products that we used or the, or our overall design about, uh, um, you know, recycling materials once building life is finished. We wanted to show that we had a plan for future generations, that, that’s why we built, uh, we built it. 

[00:18:50] Tracy Klaver: Building for the future. 

[00:18:52] Mark Perry: Yeah. 

[00:18:52] Tracy Klaver: It’s what it boils down to. 

[00:18:53] Jennifer-Lee: I like that because I don’t think a lot of us think about that. And my family’s worked in residential, uh, construction for a lot of their lives. And it’s thinking about like, whoa, how long are these homes actually gonna last? Because, you know, we have a habit here in North America where we just build them. We crush them, again in a few years and it’s the same thing for developments. It’s like, how do you keep them long lasting and how do you actually build a community around them? Because that’s what a lot of the areas are missing in the lower mainland is that sense of community. 

[00:19:23] Mark Perry: Yeah, it was kind of urban sprawl, you know, and now all of a sudden now, uh, buyers, you know, are, are moving more towards the city. They say there’s a, was an incredible percentage of, I think by 2050, the, the amounts of people that are be moving back and living within the city because of convenience, because their work is there. Because they don’t want to drive two hours a day to, to go to work, you know, each way, um, because the houses and suburbia are too big for, you know, a single couple or what have you. People are coming back to cities and because they’re coming back to cities, we can build for them and what they want, and build the projects, cities that, uh, that, um, have, have, uh, you know, a sustainable kind of mantra, um, and that are smart cities. And everything that, that we have such busy life, lives these days, the more that we can pack into it, the, the better for us and, um, and why wouldn’t we build to, to what people’s needs are?

[00:20:27] Jennifer-Lee: Yeah. And people are lonely too. Even if you have a family, they say people are lonely because they’re missing that connection to their neighbors, which you don’t get in many places. But that’s one of the one thing that I like what you guys are doing. It’s like, you’re going to have different meeting spots, you’re going to have different restaurants. You’re going to have things where the neighbors can come down and they can see each other and they can not be lonely and they can get new friends. Because I think that’s a big thing, is people think condo living is lonely, but I believe truly that it’s the amenities that you have too and the fact that you’re able to walk the dog and you see somebody else around there.

[00:21:00] Mark Perry: Yeah, absolutely. You know, there’ll be yoga and there’ll be art and, you know, we’ve got a special, uh, special floor in our community area, our center hub, on the pedestrian street where there’s no vehicles. Um, we can have a night markets. We can have, uh, in the, within the, uh, the, uh, the art floor, we can have different artists showcasing their wares. Those kinds of things are areas where residents within Andmar and neighboring residents can walk to go get a coffee and walk to come and see the new artists that’s there for two months on, uh, um, showcasing their art. It, it’s all about, you know, being social and having a place to go to that, that is, uh, comfortable. And that again, establishes community. And then that again, makes it a place that you want to live in. 

[00:21:52] Jennifer-Lee: And I like to bust myths because I feel like there’s a lot of professions that have myths. I feel all of them do. Uh, what do you think is one misconception about land development? 

[00:22:03] Mark Perry: Oh, well, everybody thinks we make tons and tons of money and we are, um, you know, I don’t know, greedy and ruin land, I guess, you know, and, and, uh, and that’s the big thing that we thought about is, is that, uh, um, you know, how do you make it so that, uh, we’re not perceived as, that we’ve, that we’ve made something better out of the land, both socially and for, for residents, but also, you know, how we put back more trees, you know, we’re going to be putting back more trees and, um, you know, then what was originally on the land when we bought it. How do we make it so that wildlife comes back? You know, that’s all a little bit of sustainability. It’s like, uh, all the things that you think in the overall picture of a successful development or should be a successful development. And we want to showcase that to other developers about, hey, we can do all of this stuff and look how successful we are.

[00:23:01] Jennifer-Lee: Tracy, any myths about land development that you’d like to, uh, bust here? 

[00:23:05] Tracy Klaver: Yeah, because, um, so I’ve been a licensed realtor for almost twenty-three years now and, uh, in Chilliwack, I started in Chilliwack and, um, and I’ve done a lot of new development with these guys and previous to that as well. And I, I think that the myth buster that I would like to break out is yes, the, the, the, you know, develop, the word developer has been a four-letter word. And, um, and with that, uh, you know, I, I call that out. Because, um, like Mark says, we’re, we’re creating something for the future. Um, we are taking into consideration, um, the needs and wants of our community. You know, we’re not just going in for the quick buck and, uh, which easily we could have. We could have developed something that could have been much easier, you know, an in and an out and we’re done.

[00:23:57] But I think that the, the vision, uh, that was, it’s, it’s unfolding is one that, um, has so much thought, uh, to it for the future, for our residents, you know, for our community, because this, this is a reflection on, on this beautiful, you know, area of the Fraser Valley. It’s, uh, you know, it’s, it’s something that people we can be proud of, that we developed it, but also being as a, as a, a Chilliwack resident, you know, we have things now. We have restaurants. We have all that stuff that people said, oh yeah, you know, who’d want to live there? But now we’re, the way that we’re developing, I, I think that is just, uh, it’s blossoming, um, in our community. 

[00:24:41] Jennifer-Lee: And again, I love the fact that you guys are both Chilliwack residents. It’s something that you care about. Again, you’re putting a lot of thought into this development. Uh, what does it mean to being a Chilliwack resident to each of you? 

[00:24:53] Mark Perry: Well, I, I know Chilliwack. I, as, as I like Chilliwack is, is that, um, the great outdoors is, is, uh, is, is so close to us. Whether we want to go hiking Elk Mountain or, uh, Cheam or whether we want to fish in the Vedder or the Fraser River or bike at Coltis. It’s everything that we, that, uh, you know, we have, as an ex-Langley resident, we, you know, had to drive an hour and a half to come out to do and now it’s here on our doorstep. So, uh, the one thing that we, I moved to Chilliwack in 2008, the one thing that we were lacking was, uh, really any entertainment place or, you know, it was only one or two great restaurants and we could have used a whole lot more and people were, uh, you know, utilizing other cities to, uh, to go to do that, do that stuff. And now they can do it within the home of Chilliwack. 

[00:25:46] Tracy Klaver: Yeah, I can speak, you know, testimony. I was born and raised in Vancouver and, um, you know, when I go into the city for the day now and even just driving home, I’m just like, ah, it’s that feeling of, um, there’s a lot of comfort in, in this, all this beauty and nature. And, um, you know, I can go away on holidays or whatever the case may be, but coming home is um, coming up, you know, it just gives such a beautiful welcoming feeling every time I come home. 

[00:26:18] Jennifer-Lee: I love it. I just love your passion for Chilliwack. I love the fact that you guys are putting this together development together. Uh, what do you feel the future of Andmar is? Because I know it’s going to be many different parts, but where do you see the future of Andmar? 

[00:26:32] Mark Perry: Well, I see the future of Andmar, at the very end it’ll be a pinnacle of development. We’ll be able to showcase the reasons why we did what we did. And people will be able to come out and, you know, touch it and feel it and see the commercial retailers that we have. And, you know, how they, uh, um, you know, we have, Nature’s Fare is our anchor grocery tenant. Um, I mean, these are people that want to be, uh, set up roots within, stores that want to set up roots within Andmar because Andmar is going to be a place, a destination, you know, to, to be at. So, you know, I think, uh, the proof will be in the pudding, um, in regards to where, you know, uh, our buildings and what we did and, you know, I’m, I’m very excited about, uh, what we’ve got going on and what we’re bringing to market. 

[00:27:22] Jennifer-Lee: Tracy. What’s your vision for the future of Andmar? 

[00:27:25] Tracy Klaver: Well, uh, for the future of Andmar, I mean, it, it is the, it’s the new Sardis Center. It’s the happening place. It’s where, you know, we, people drive by, they’re going to stop in, they do all their daily, um, daily things that they need. The shopping, meet with friends, um, you know, that’s the vision right there. It’s, um, something that you don’t see in, uh, in, in many places, actually. Um, you know, a concentrated, very desirable, um, place to do all of your daily business and live. So it’s a live, work, play. You know, even if you’re not going to be living in that condo, um, you’re going to be visiting friends. You’re going to be, you know, gathering, um, and be, you know, you’re going to be a part of what’s going on there. 

[00:28:14] Jennifer-Lee: It’s a very European idea and I like it because that’s why I love going to European cities because everything is at your doorstep. There’s so much community. And I remember watching this, I think it was Norway one time on Oprah, and they said they don’t live in their condos. They sleep there, they eat there, but they go out on the street and they gather with all their friends. And that’s why they’re happy. And so I see Andmar being that for Sardis. Uh, one more question. What are you excited about this podcast? Because we have many different topics on, that are include like development, uh, you know, fifteen-minute city concepts, sustainability. We’ll go further into that. What are you excited about showcasing to everybody? 

[00:28:57] Mark Perry: Well, I think it’s a, it’s a wonderful way to be able to introduce ourselves, to be able to introduce, um, guests, um, knowledgeable guests that will be able to speak, you know, as residents of Yaletown about, uh, you know, their likes and their wishes and how that, how they brought, uh, um, themselves to a community and why they went. We’ll have a variety of topics as you, as you say. Um, it’s a great way to showcase, show and tell what we’re doing to people that, uh, you know, have questions and want to know. And, uh, you know, we’re in construction mode now. We’ve got, uh, two buildings that are, uh, coming along at great speed over top of the grocery store. We’re going to start framing our, uh, our corner building, which will have our anchor restaurant. And, uh, so there’s lots and lots of stuff happening. And, um, you know, as people drive by and see the community as it, as it, as it’s being built, there’s more and more questions that will come from it. Um, and, uh, you know, these kind of mediums are the great way for somebody to do research and, and, uh, and hear about the future and decide whether they want to move to, uh, to, you know, uh, uptown city center.

[00:30:07] Jennifer-Lee: Tracy, what are you excited about the podcast? 

[00:30:11] Tracy Klaver: Well, I mean, like Mark says, it’s, it’s bringing the news. Um, people are talking and, um, there’s many things to showcase about Andmar. You know, it’s not just, uh, you know, some condos for sale. It’s, we’re building a community. So, um, you know, by doing this podcast, there’s a lot of topics that we can touch on as far as how it’s going to impact the community. And, um, so just around the corner, it’s coming. 

[00:30:39] Jennifer-Lee: Yeah, and I like to say it’s kind of for everyone, like, even if you’re just listening, it’s like, just interesting and thing of like, how does a development come together? Maybe you’re interested in that, um, where do you start? Like we, we talked about some things today because I think sometimes it’s again, busting that myth of like, what does it take to get from a glossy brochure to a reality. And there’s way more behind it than just selling some condos. So thank you guys so much for being on the first episode. I’m going to guide you through the rest of the story of Andmar, and um, I’m really excited. Let’s talk to you next time. 

[00:31:16] Tracy Klaver: Amazing. Thank you, Jennifer. 

[00:31:18] Mark Perry: Thanks Jen. 

[00:31:20] Jennifer-Lee: Thank you for joining us on Behind the Design from Yaletown to Andmar. We’ve explored the history, innovation, and sustainability that makes Andmar more than just a community. It’s a place where life, business, and connection thrive. If you’ve been inspired by this podcast, we’d love your support. Follow the podcast, rate it and leave a review to help others discover what makes Andmar so special. Till next time.